Wednesday, 14 October 2009
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Take down your American Flags!
For the first time in a long time, I found myself feeling particularly politically motivated yesterday. A friend from High School posted on an article on Facebook that really lifted my eyebrows.
The Oaks Apartments in Albany, Oregon have instituted a ban against flying flags of any sort in the complex. That includes, you guessed it, the American flag.
WOW.
This morning I double checked to see if any changes were made to the story before I posted this, and I found quite a bit of new information on this story. Here is the link to the article I am quoting:
http://www.democratherald.com/news/local/article_d7d3c902-b4ee-11de-b11b-001cc4c03286.html
The apartment manager had this to say about her course of actions:
"I'm trying to avoid any conflict," Holcomb said. "I have a problem when tenants' rights to free speech come into contact with other tenants' rights of peaceful enjoyment. This policy is not a violation of anyone's civil rights.
"We're a diverse community here, and we've had previous problems with this sort of thing," she said.
WOW Again. I didn’t realize flags were able to ruin the “rights of peaceful enjoyment” of another tenant. It is this kind of nonsense that I am getting quite tired of from a political standpoint. Rather than worry about people getting offended or having to think for themselves or learn to respect another culture, all of the cultures in that apartment complex are getting smeared, and quite frankly, the most important culture just had a moronic apartment manager take a big dump on it. The most important culture in America is of course the AMERICAN culture. You know, it’s that culture that allows us to BE WHO WE ARE regardless of your race or gender. It is the culture that allows for individuality and freedom. This is not a country that says “You can’t fly YOUR flag here” this is a country that says “You CAN fly your flag here, you just can’t do it above ours.”
Doesn’t that tell you something?
The ACLU managed to make a quote about this little incident as well:
Jann Carson, the associate director of the ACLU of Oregon, agreed that Clausen and other tenants' civil rights are not being violated under the new policy.
"It is my understanding in Oregon that an owner of private property can apply those types of restrictions," she said. "But if there is any evidence of racial motivation for those kinds of decisions on private property that are public accommodations, they could run afoul of state statute and federal civil rights laws."
Ok Ms. Carson. Who determines those factors? Who looks at these types of situations and states “That was racially motivated!” Does that include the nationality of American? Was this policy in place when the tenants moved in to the structure, or is this a new policy? Are the tenants being allowed to break their lease with no backlash from the complex if they decide this policy is not for them?
Quite frankly this is a very simple solution. The American Flag should be flown from any apartment at any point in time by any tenant. We live in America and it is the right of every American to show support of their country in a symbolic manner they choose. Any other flags can be displayed in the individual apartments. If anyone finds their “rights of peaceful enjoyment” disturbed beyond that, I say let them be disturbed. No matter how “diverse” your community is if the people within it are enjoying the rights and privileges given to them by the American Flag, then I say they should respect it and learn to live with it or move.
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Comments (75)
Id rec this more if I could
You said it! That is ignorant beyond belief.
there is precedent on this type of case...
:::shakes head::: I dunno what America has come to!
@buddly47 - Awesome!!!! We fly one as well as a "Don't Tread On Me" :)
It's easier for the complex to say no flags, period than to police what can and cannot be flown. Someone could easily complain that it's their right to fly a Dixie or Nazi flag just as it's our right to fly the Stars & Stripes. But if you say NO flags, then you don't have to deal with it at all.
It's likely a simply case of someone abusing their rights to get attention or prove a point.
@macphoto - me too
you are right. who in the world comes up with these ideas?
sheesh.
j.
I really hate seeing stuff like this. What's the world coming to?
@tialoca_talks - Do you have a link to it? Define what part of this you feel like has Precedence?
@SladeTheGreyFox - I don't see how saying "none" is any less work than saying American only. It would be pretty obvious if none = 1 flag, or 1 flag was not American. Remember, I live in the south, I see Dixie all the time, and I just think....there goes another ignorant ass redneck. XD I don't waste my time getting offended.
i don't feel, i know...it is a case in florida that i am referring to...do not have the link handy...
precedent has been set that homeowners associations can indeed ban flags...this was only if they banned all flags...you sign a contract to abide by homeowner association rules and the contract is binding...so people need to be a little more careful what they legally agree to...at one point, there was a bill intro'd to congress to allow military residential service flags since one association in particular banned that flag...as for ignorant rednecks...how tolerant of you...
I agree!! If they want to be Americans, then they should be glad to see the AMERICAN flag flown high!!! :)
I have a running quote that I have been applying to situations such as these:
"Never underestimate the predictability of human stupidity"
The two flags that should always be allowed to be flown in America is the American flag and the OFFICIAL state flag...beyond that, if you want to ban flags, so be it. If you want or don't want the complex looking like the U.N. thats fine, but those two flags should always be allowed IMHO.
@tialoca_talks - I've heard of this issue of Homeowner Associations setting rules that all residents abide by, and the flag issue being considered. I however disagree with it being allowed that one could ban all of their neighbors, in the United States, from this patriotic display that is encouraged by our own government.
Thank you "southernlass". I had lost track of you. Indeed, being in Oregon, I had heard about this. Thank God, our apartment management company has not made that ban. We have a neighbor who leaves their flag up all the time, without any light or anything. I was taught to properly respect the flag in displaying it, and that includes taking it down at night, if it is not illuminated by a light.
Long live freedom!
at least this policy makes ALL flags equal
“You CAN fly your flag here, you just can’t do it above ours.”
Being as this sounds like an apartment building, what if someone on the third floor was flying a North Korean flag, while someone on the second was flying a USA flag? Wouldn't that create a problem, by what you've said here, since they're flying it above ours?
The continual push towards globalization will result in more stories like these in the near future. I personally would go to the mat over this issue especially since my son entered the military--most especially for all the men and women who are serving and have served this nation with their lives. They didn't fight for this, but for the complete opposite. Freedom is essential and the sooner we stop taking it for granted the better
@SerenaDante - It might create a problem that can be remedied--but the the US flag is always flown in senior (top) position above any other on our soil.
Brava! Well said. You caught my eye with this one.
@ShamelesslyRed - So then one of the tenants would have to remove their flag, no? Probably the North Korean one, so as to not be above the USA one, because of course it's not a violation to have someone else remove their own flag, but it is a violation if the USA flag is asked to be removed.
@SerenaDante - This is not part and parcel for the US only. All other countries fly their flag in senior position. If's respect for the nation --whatever country you happen to be in. You will never go to Russia, Australia, Japan, etc and see the US flag or any others fly above their national one. It's just the way it is.
@SerenaDante no--you can have any other flag below the US flag, so no other's have to be removed -
@pb49r - the florida case was many years ago and a person had a flag set up by the parking...they were told to remove it and the case was on...while i personally think it is outrageous for anyone to be offended by the flying of our flag, it was clearly stated in the contract that the man signed...there is such a thing as personal responsibiltiy...here is the caveat...don't sign legal contracts you don't intend to honor...as for being able to ban cars of visitors displaying flags, i do not know of precedent being set on this issue...it will probly not fly (no pun intended) but we shall see...@SerenaDante - you are being obtuse...the flying of flags in senior position has to do with in relationship to display, each apartment would be considered it's own display...